Taking a photo upwards from the ground always makes it look tighter. From the ground it looked like a one inch gap. A lucky discovery by Lloyd Penfold- a Wythall stalwart, led to him bidding successfully for two such plates that formed one lot in a London auction in last July. How it finished up in an auction in London is a mystery, but whatever route it took to get there, it is extraordinary that it is now reunited with the vehicle that carried it for nearly forty years.
Nigel Edwards Nigel, Thx for body info. That AEC plate is certainly an amazing coincidence. Not having been to Wythall for a while, I had no idea how far restoration had progressed. I cannot remember the Reg No other than it did not end in UF.
Was this possibly supercharged? I am trying to locate information and if possible drawings of the two buses in the attached images. They are both of the Cream Bus Service Ltd. I believe one is a Carrier CY and the other a Ford. I actually make model airplanes but would like to make a couple of models in remembrance of my Grandfather — hence my reach out for this help. Its all in the wonderful book on Samuel Ledgard: It includes a full history of Cream Bus.
Not sure about drawings and dimensions though as small buses at that time varied greatly with regard to dimensions. Thanks for the posting and photos. Maybe you could contact the Samuel Ledgard Society?
Both websites mention that the TT was a truck chassis variant of the well-known Model T, but had a heavier duty chassis frame and rear axle. The TT rear axle also differed in having worm and wheel drive as opposed to the crown wheel and pinion set up in the Model T. Heavier duty wooden-spoked artillery-type wheels were also fitted to the TT version front 21ins and rear 20ins.
As John mentions, overall dimensions of individual vehicles would no doubt have varied as many, including the Model TT, were sold in chassis form, allowing new owners the freedom to have truck, bus, van bodywork etc.
However, the Karrier CY No. It had Roe B20F bodywork and was withdrawn in March Another small point which may interest Adrian, is that Fred Rathmell ran a small bus business in Otley after the Cream Bus sale, and this too succumbed to "Sammy" Perhaps someone in the "Model Bus Federation" may be of help with regard to modelling these fascinating old vehicles? I have seen posts about this luxury coach and I would like the opportunity to meet the owner and see this stunning coach in person.
I own my own luxury coach company in Dorset called Heathside Travel. I would like to see what Mr Southby drove all those years ago. Does anyone know who owns this coach please? Please help me make contact or ask them to contact me, thank you. Further to my previous post, it looks to be a standard Maidstone and District destination layout.
Bus Lists on the Web came up with this: It has a cc petrol engine but the colour is listed as blue — which may well be midnight blue. You may like to add a comment to this effect thus stopping further posters making guesses as to who The Harrington Society is. Our hired Ribble coach had to battle around the back roads to avoid the snow blocked A6 at Shap. The society was well exercised on preserving ex Liverpool Green Goddess tram then operating in Glasgow as , and it eventually got to Crich.
Being from Bristol, trams disappeared even before I was born, so they did not interest me much! In penance, I submit three buses that I snapped on the trip. DS39 in Govan. TBS 21, seen in Admiral Street. He grew up in South London and has fond memories of the buses and trolley buses from his youth. We are based in Somerset, but would be quite prepared to travel anywhere in the South of England to make it happen.
Driving an RT may be difficult nowadays due to their comparative scarcity other than in museums which may not allow un-qualified driving. Maybe you know of them, but these people offer a driving experience with a Routemaster not the same, I agree, but close.
Unfortunately, I note that their Driving Days are now full for Maybe next year? The attached collage shows the standard to which these images can be achieved by a professional! It is in working order but the ink pad needs refilling. You may have an interest in the old photo on a page of my website. My info was my dad and grandfather bought it from a dealer in Ipswich, already converted. We lived in it from our return from Malta in , until he got a married quarter in It was in a wired compound on base, with mains elec provided, along with a lot of caravans, and at least two other buses as I recall.
More of the story here: My tentative colouration, it was green. Under an MOWT directive, 7 were sold to Newcastle in , the remainder running with Bradford until , apart from , which was accident wrecked in I would be delighted to learn more! I understand that part of this allocation involved Bradford in disposing of 10 older vehicles, and 10 to six wheeler EE trolleys went to Newcastle. These were from 2 batches, — , and I believe that NCT did not place these 3 in service but am open to correction.
It is fascinating to speculate on the number of the bus in the photo, but someone with NCT knowledge may well know more about their fate than I do, although , from South Shields is a possibility, and it is known that several buses sold to breakers became "caravans" in the early post war years, so possibly it is one which was not sold by BCT!
All of the Newcastle ones are accounted for subsequently. The three that went to South Shields were all different in that there was a flat fronted one KW, a round fronted one KW and the former demonstrator KY There is a picture of all three lined up after withdrawal on page 41 of the South Shields book published by Trolleybooks and this can be clearly seen. KW has no subsequent history and given that the bus was secreted on air bases it pretty much confirms the lack of subsequent disposal information.
On the original black and white photo Mr Haywood sent me the registration does appear to have the look of KW albeit indistinct. The other 2 vehicles which went to South Shields in apart from , were , and South Shields therefore received 3 vehicles with identical control systems but with 3 distinct body styles!
The photo in "Trolleybuses of South Shields" says it all. Any copies of that photo anywhere? My records show 2 liveries too, in that and had both received the pale blue livery Southend "new blue" whereas was in original dark blue, and they ran as such in South Shields.
SCT Numbers — And will be going to Morecambe this may , it has taken lots of hard work and money. The upper and lower decks still need work, the bus had a road test and passed with flying colours. I must say its a good feeling. John Hewitt.
Scottish Region of British Railways: Many were the stories of digging out a bus with a shovel in the winter snows, or even having to walk down to get help. Now this is something I should really have more sense than to try and do, i. I would like to see what Mr Southby drove all those years ago. I understand that part of this allocation involved Bradford in disposing of 10 older vehicles, Speed dating airdrie, and 10 to six wheeler EE trolleys went to Newcastle. Incidentally, could someone perhaps confirm why there were apparently two power wires for the tramway — was it to avoid a frog at Speed dating airdrie diverging points which I presume were Speed dating airdrie not far up the road? DS39 in Govan. TBS 21, seen in Admiral Street. Of the 18, passenger coaches, 6, were said to be used only 18 times a year or less. Its all in the wonderful book on Samuel Ledgard:
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